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This is POA's fault. His posting made me aware of the 1625. Since i'm chair bound for the time being I was trolling CL and what shows up? The same box! Needless to say I called, arranged a meet and voila.
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Some repair work is necessary on the saw, E C Atkins.




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YIKES!!!! Kevin, I ain't even gonna mention what I paid for mine.

It is friggin' amazing that you found that tightly on the heels of my purchase.

Thats a score akin to finding a Stanley No.1 for 20 bucks. And...AN ATKINS???? Who even knew Atkins even made a 2-1/2 x 16, if in fact thats what it is (?).

You're on my sh*t list, brother. No fair!
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Uh, I bought this one and another late model 74 for $20! Don't hate me :-)

Yes 16" x 2 1/2"

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Well damn.

GP badged, and has a number stamped. None of my other GP stuff has ever had a model stamp, like...none of it.


(I paid $5 for my MF Acme 73A, $10 for my cman branded 74 with saw, $20 for a GP all-steel with pre-1917 saw, and.... $.99 + $35 shipping for my late-teens Acme 74 [wink] You need to hate me too.)
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I had a GP box that had a brass tag. Can't remember the number, but it was a 5 incher. 1285?

The gallery that the picture came from, that I started this thread with, shows that particular mitre box as having a GP Toolsmiths decal where Kevin's box has the brass tag. I suspect the one I just purchased may of had, or has, a decal as well, because it doesn't have a brass tag. The fact that Kevin's box has an Atkins saw fascinates me. I really think the 2" and 2-1/2" backsaws were made expressly for the small Langdons, and, apparently, this small GP model. I was aware that Simonds and Disston made these backsaws, but a 2-1/2" x 16" Atkins is news to me. These saws seem to have slipped through the cracks historically. I have a Disston No. 4, 2-1/2" x 16", mated to my Langdon No. 15 1/2. But try to find that size Disston in any of the Disston catalogues. The smallest I can find listed, in a 16" plate, is a 3-3/4".

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I've been able to spend a little while on the 1625 of mine. The saw, an E C Atkins, is a bit of a mystery. The handle and etch look 1960ish and its painted blue!

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Problem is they don't show a 2 1/2" by 16" saw.

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Well..the Disston catalogues don't show any 16" backsaws with plates less than 3-3/4", yet I have a 2", and two 2-1/2 inchers. Also, a Simonds 2". My 2" Disston has the pre 1918 handle shape, but, like your Atkins, the two Disston 2-1/2 inchers have the later flatter style handle. You would think they'd show up in catalogues, because one of the disstons carries a No. 4 etch.

Whats the etch on your Atkins say, Kevin? Hard to read off the picture.

(BTW, good to see you posting. I hope your recovery is moving along well.)
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The etch s identical to the No 1 back saw from the brochure page I posted.

Recovery is going very well, walked a mile yesterday and start therapy Friday. Prognosis is for no lasting effects and a full recovery. Headaches are gone. Headed out to buy some new skis this afternoon! Still not driving yet, probably Friday. Thanks for asking.

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Btw...heres my 1625. The restoration should be complete this afternoon. It was poorly painted by a previous owner, so that pretty much made up my mind to restore it. Had it of been original, like my small Langdons, I wouldn't have messed with it.

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Saws this size would be a custom kind of thing I would think. Though they would custom just about any saw, or so I've heard.
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Yeah...but a No. 4 etch on a Disston would hardly imply a "custom", unless you are considering full runs of a few hundred saws, "custom" . After all, the small Langdons, and the small GP, were sold with saws. And my 2" Simonds has a Millers Falls etch, which doesn't imply it was custom. I would agree that if the three saw companies were producing these saws merely to fill the small mitre box niche that these three models created, the word "custom" might be apropos. But its pretty hard to imagine this niche drove enough competition for all three manufacturers to feel the need to jump in. After all, the Langdons were sold with Simonds saws, so why the 2" and 2-1/2" Disstons? Were enough of the 16 1/2 boxes and 15 1/2 sold without saws to warrant Disston wading in with a 2" and 2-1/2" of their own?? This whole small back saw thing is kinda odd. Plus, the fact that the catalogue entries, and the 1929 ad, do not mention saw manufacturer, which would imply that like with the Stanley boxes, Millers Falls, and GP might have been farming the saw contract for these small boxes out to the lowest bidder.
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Heres the Simonds. Doesn't show in the pic, but the etch does say "Langdon Mitre Box". The saw shows remnants of bluing on the spine, and my 2" Disston has a blued spine, which would seem to date it pre 1929, when the no. 4s started getting bright steel backs instead of bluing. (Wasn't actually bluing.The spine was heated up, and linseed oil was applied, darkening the metal, and giving it some moderate rust proofing.). I'd like to restore the Simonds a bit, but the etch is faded, and only deep at the top. And I'm not really crazy about partial decals, but I think the one on this saw should be preserved.

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My 16" Simonds also has an etch that's almost gone.

And that's rather what I meant by custom. MF or GP or Stanley or Langdon (pre-MF) would make a special order of a few hundred at a time, but for some reason Disston, Simonds, Atkins (et al) didn't add the size to their regular catalog. MF often had them put an etch on the saw, so did Langdon, and there's also the Stanley saws similarly branded.

Until recently I had a saw very close in size to those small mitre box saws that was "made expressly for manual training schools," but those didn't get catalog shrift, either.

Perhaps "special order" might be a better term than "custom."
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"Special order". Yep, sounds about right. Its just really suprising to me, considering we know of three different saw manufactures filling these special orders, yet the mitre boxes the saws were designed to fit are as scarce as hen's teeth.
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Dang it...I'm out of stripper, and whoever lathered the orange on this box mixed it one part paint and three parts concrete.

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