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PlaneShaving
Hi all and a merry xmas! Occasional lurker, first time poster.

I have an Ohio Tool company hand plane I'm trying to learn more about. I'm having trouble finding much online about it. It is numbered 224 on the toe, which I understand to be unusual for an Ohio. I have found the relevant patent with matching date by Thomas Manley here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US1021369 

The patent is concerned with the one-screw-to-adjust, one-screw-to-secure design of the frog in particular, which is a feature on the plane I have.

I posted about it on a hand plane restoration facebook group, and learned a bit more this morning (I didn't know that the Manley as opposed to Marks patent planes were rarer, for instance). However, nobody has known/shared anything about the significance of the "224" on the toe or what it indicates about the plane.

I did receive some pretty immediate offers to purchase the plane. I'd be curious about what people's idea of its worth is, although my first interest is just in the plane itself. I'm not sure that I want to sell it. But if I do, I'd like to make sure I'm both being fair and getting a fair price. I may just restore it, take a few shaving here and there for fun, and point it out to woodworking buddies when they pop over to the shop.

Thanks for any insight!  
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timetestedtools
That is a very rare and very cool find. I've never seen or heard of a 2xx Ohio either. The value is going to be what somebody will pay for it..
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timetestedtools
Oh, and can you post pictures of the frog and seat. I've got to see that!
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PlaneShaving
Hiya, Don.

I tried to fulfill your christmas wish just now, but I haven't been able to slide the frog all the way off, yet. I read through the patent, and I know it can come off, but right now it's only giving me about 3/4" play before it gets caught up. The dovetail mating of the bed and the frog are in really good shape as far as what is visible, so I suspect there's just some wood shavings or other gunk that wedges the frog as it slides forward and stops it coming all the way off. It was completely stuck at first but some gentle sliding/longitudinal pressure back and forth released some crud and gave it the range it now has - probably just needs more of the same! I'll likely play with it again soon and I'll post photos for you if I can release the frog without using too much force.

Regarding market value - I was hoping to plumb your intuitions built from the experience of seeing lots of sales of old/unusual planes. Since this one sounds like it's a bit of a unicorn I get that there's not a direct comparison to make, but maybe you've seen other possibly-the-only-example collectible planes sell that would provide some kind of a reference?

Still very curious to know about what the heck the 224 means about the plane. Do you know of history books about Ohio tool that I might paw through to see if non-0 numbering schemes are mentioned?
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timetestedtools
Take your time and work it off slow. ImI in no hurry.

Email Martin Donnelly for a rough estimate. He'll tell you what the last one or two sold for, or if he's ever sold any.
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Brian Akers
PlaneShaving,
there is nothing really out there published on Ohio, yet anyways. I'm working on one though. I've got a pretty good type study timeline going though. I've spent most of 2018 studying, researching and buying examples for comparison. I even was able to view and photograph a catalog at the Smithsonian library in DC that they had there. It a seemed very official at first. I had to make an appointment and had to be escorted to the library. Once I was there it was pretty laid back though.

Anyhow, I was able to trace the Manley patent down from Smith's book shortly and the and who Walters sold it to (value/amount was not disclosed unfortunately), the fellow died and it was sold on eBay after that and that's where the trail ended for me. I fellow collector said it went for around $150 or so and it was complete and in much better condition and was jointer size, 228, 24". I'd say that was low though. Don is right though, it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Best,
Brian
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timetestedtools
Hiya, Don.

I tried to fulfill your christmas wish just now, but I haven't been able to slide the frog all the way off, yet. I read through the patent, and I know it can come off, but right now it's only giving me about 3/4" play before it gets caught up. The dovetail mating of the bed and the frog are in really good shape as far as what is visible, so I suspect there's just some wood shavings or other gunk that wedges the frog as it slides forward and stops it coming all the way off. It was completely stuck at first but some gentle sliding/longitudinal pressure back and forth released some crud and gave it the range it now has - probably just needs more of the same! I'll likely play with it again soon and I'll post photos for you if I can release the frog without using too much force.

Regarding market value - I was hoping to plumb your intuitions built from the experience of seeing lots of sales of old/unusual planes. Since this one sounds like it's a bit of a unicorn I get that there's not a direct comparison to make, but maybe you've seen other possibly-the-only-example collectible planes sell that would provide some kind of a reference?

Still very curious to know about what the heck the 224 means about the plane. Do you know of history books about Ohio tool that I might paw through to see if non-0 numbering schemes are mentioned?


Did you ever manage to get this apart. I'd still like to see the details. 
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PlaneShaving


Did you ever manage to get this apart. I'd still like to see the details. 


Hi Don. I've taken photos now. Regretfully, I won't be able to share them for the time being. Thanks for the interest. Hope to be able to share them with the community in the future.
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